tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post4234790215009265508..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: When the Andes Came Up – Part IIDelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-64773718960182826452018-01-16T14:48:35.377-08:002018-01-16T14:48:35.377-08:00Perhaps you might find the following of interest. ...Perhaps you might find the following of interest. It was written by the First Presidency in 1909 in response to the growing opinions of the time regarding the Origin of Man.<br />Adam, our first progenitor, “the first man,” was, like Christ, a pre-existent spirit, and like Christ he took upon him an appropriate body, the body of a man, and so became a “living soul.” The doctrine of the preexistence—revealed so plainly, particularly in latter days—pours a wonderful flood of light upon the otherwise mysterious problem of man’s origin. It shows that man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal body to undergo an experience in mortality. It teaches that all men existed in the spirit before any man existed in the flesh and that all who have inhabited the earth since Adam have taken bodies and become souls in like manner.<br />It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declared that Adam was “the first man of all men” (Moses 1:34). and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father.<br />True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man.<br />Man, by searching, cannot find out God. Never, unaided, will he discover the truth about the beginning of human life. The Lord must reveal Himself or remain unrevealed; and the same is true of the facts relating to the origin of Adam’s race—God alone can reveal them. Some of these facts, however, are already known, and what has been made known it is our duty to receive and retain.<br />The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, basing its belief on divine revelation, ancient and modern, proclaims man to be the direct and lineal offspring of Deity. God Himself is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme. By His almighty power He organized the earth and all that it contains, from spirit and element, which exist coeternally with Himself. He formed every plant that grows and every animal that breathes, each after its own kind, spiritually and temporally—“that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal, and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual.” He made the tadpole and the ape, the lion and the elephant, but He did not make them in His own image, nor endow them with godlike reason and intelligence. Nevertheless, the whole animal creation will be perfected and perpetuated in the Hereafter, each class in its “distinct order or sphere,” and will enjoy “eternal felicity.” That fact has been made plain in this dispensation (see D&C 77:3).<br />Man is the child of God, formed in the divine image and endowed with divine attributes, and even as the infant son of an earthly father and mother is capable in due time of becoming a man, so the undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God.<br />Joseph F. Smith<br />John R. Winder<br />Anthon H. Lund<br />First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<br />November 1909<br />Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-88904113417292578952018-01-15T08:07:38.632-08:002018-01-15T08:07:38.632-08:00erichard, interesting take on Adam. I have a diffe...erichard, interesting take on Adam. I have a different belief and the hint is Eve. A rib was taken from Eve to create her. A rib is where the best cells are taken to clone some living thing. She is a clone of Adam. I believe Adam was cloned as well as an exact replica of the Father. And that my friend is the answer to the Adam-God dilemma that has goofed up the Saints for over 100 years since Brigham. At he time of Brigham and Joseph cloning was not known. It is now and its a very simple concept. Brigham was right that Adam was God the father. His body was the exact replica.<br /><br />Sorry Del for getting of the subject but this is something that ought to be understood. There was no previous earth, and many believe that false doctrine. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-29997066129121821232018-01-15T07:54:54.346-08:002018-01-15T07:54:54.346-08:00The expression: "formed man from the dust of ...The expression: "formed man from the dust of the ground" according to President Young means Adam was formed the same way we are formed: our mother eats food from "dust" and our body is formed. So according to President Young, Moses 3:7 is saying that Adam was formed on a previous earth and came here with a resurrected body. As such, he was the first flesh and first man upon the earth. Every living thing for this earth had been created spiritually in preparation, and with Adam here these life forms began to obtain physical bodies and Adam named them (verse 19) as they came here. Right? <br /><br />Moses 3:7 that you quoted about Adam being "the first man and first flesh" is BEFORE he was put into the garden of Eden and thus before the fall. So it cannot be talking about Adam with a body exactly like we have. erichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-37475391815945505512018-01-13T07:51:45.406-08:002018-01-13T07:51:45.406-08:00Todd, Absolutely! For example, brachiopods fossil ...Todd, Absolutely! For example, brachiopods fossil are found in carbonate rock with closed shells. This shows being buried alive. When a brachiopod dies its shell pops open. This shows that the fossil record was created catastrophically and not over millions of years. <br /><br />You can believe the scriptures when they tell you that Adam was the first man and the first flesh on the earth. I'm a geologist and I've proved the Biblical creation in so many ways. Uniformitarianism is not correct. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-75770260879681876632018-01-12T21:18:00.494-08:002018-01-12T21:18:00.494-08:00I am fairly convinced that the fossil record was &...I am fairly convinced that the fossil record was "sorted" by liquefaction during the flood, just like the sediment layers, and does not represent millions of years of evolving life. But what do I know? Doesn't catastrophe make fossils, as opposed to long periods of calm? I'm no scientist though. <br /><br />Thanks again for the interesting blogs that encourage me to look around a bit more for information rather than defaulting to the apparent consensus view. Todd Durranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08849004044712535542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-26798977916569283812018-01-12T09:48:13.699-08:002018-01-12T09:48:13.699-08:00Thank you for your comment. It was not my intentio...Thank you for your comment. It was not my intention to make such a claim, but to show that Paleontologists make such a claim in support of their evolution theory. I have added a few words to clarify that issue for anyone who misunderstood the intent.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-71796056201291344572018-01-12T08:22:42.561-08:002018-01-12T08:22:42.561-08:00We need to be careful about making old earth unifo...We need to be careful about making old earth uniformitarianism fit into the biblical account. The Pearl of Great Price (Moses 3:7) is clear that there were no life on earth before Adam. You mention that there was life in the PreCambrian. There is a problem with that. ICR.org the leading Creationist Christian site reported that the bacteria that was found by these scientist when examined are virtually identical to modern bacteria. The bacteria are found in chert in carbonate rock. Chert is a replacement rock that was injected later into the rock hence the origin of the bacteria. They are not ancient but quite modern. <br /><br />The PreCambrian-Cambrian boundary is a real problem for the OE scientists. There is an explosion of life in the Cambrian and disputed claims of life in the PreCambrian. The Cambrian was deposited during the great flood of Noah's time, hence the reason for the countless billions of complex fossils found. The life forms are very complex and show no signs of evolution at all. They all appear fully formed all seemly at once in the fossil record.<br /><br />Good article - thanks Del. <br /><br /> iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.com