tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post4890674859421518977..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: The Wilderness of HermontsDelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-34970151703487324692016-12-29T10:56:42.736-08:002016-12-29T10:56:42.736-08:00erichard: Sorry I didn't answer that earlier. ...erichard: Sorry I didn't answer that earlier. Yes, in most cases the Ancients used one name for an entire river system; on the other hand, every person traveling might have had their own name for a specific segment of it. I would think, for whatever its worth, that the Sidon River mentioned in the scriptural record had onlly one name for its length as far as the recorders were concerned. What else it might have been known by to others is only a matter of speculation. Having said that, I still stress that before the Andes came up, there may have been a single river coming from the south that was a major source that flowed to the Sea East. If that was the case, and it was called Sidon, then it would have been altered when the East seacoast was drastically changed. On the other hand, a friend pointed out to me that the single bridge left standing obver the Mantaro south of Junin Lake is as described in Mormon's account to his satisfaction. So who knows? This is why I tend to stay clear of such singular answers of places that may or may not have been changed. Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-61694564580176689412016-12-29T07:52:27.669-08:002016-12-29T07:52:27.669-08:00I've also wondered and tried to place the Rive...I've also wondered and tried to place the River Sidon. you make and interesting point about the naming erichard. Priddis makes good points about Mantaro, but as mentioned, it flows north to south. I've wondered if the Apurimac and Mantaro perhaps used to flow south to north before the uprising of the andes and together were the river sidon. But I never could come up with anything that seemed to fit. To my disappointment, I had to agree with Del that the river sidon must have been changed with the uprising of the andes and does not exist in it's prior form today. DavidKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17746832520246273307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-80113451151878660142016-12-28T12:15:23.779-08:002016-12-28T12:15:23.779-08:00My thinking is that "IF" the Mantaro AND...My thinking is that "IF" the Mantaro AND the other tributaries were considered the same "river Sidon" then the fact that the head of the Mantaro tributary was elsewhere, the main head of the rivers together was in the South and the rivers collectively flowed to the North as expected. <br /><br />Since this was a succinct abridgment being written by Mormon, he may have determined to only use the name Sidon when talking about what actually was a river system with several tributaries. erichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-839047739541624962016-12-28T10:19:46.099-08:002016-12-28T10:19:46.099-08:00Personally, I have stayed clear of this determinat...Personally, I have stayed clear of this determination and will continue to do so until I can feel comfortable that the great destruction of mountains crumbling into valleys and valleys rising to mountains “whose height is great” did not affect the Sidon River. All common sense to me suggests that the Sidon River did not continue in its previous state after all of this destruction and drastic change in topography, rise of the Amazon drainage basin, etc. However, none of my extensive study on this has proven of any value in determining such an event. The only clue is that after 3 Nephi, the Sidon is mentioned only once, and not as a river, but as the “Waters of Sidon,” a term used three other times in the scriptural record, but one would expect it to be Sidon River in this case. Also, the Mantaro River has its headwaters or source to the north of Zarahemla in Lake Junin, not the south as the scriptures clearly state, and from there it runs south until joining the Apurimac and eventually the Ene—it is interesting that in this “fish hook” movement, it can be worked into the scriptural record descriptions as Priddis and Kocherhans clear did, but I am still not comfortable with that—the fact that it runs south past Zarahemla bothers me considerably. It is possible that the lowering and rising of mountains changed that source, but I have no way of verifying that at this time.<br />Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-31254144518918552472016-12-28T09:46:10.642-08:002016-12-28T09:46:10.642-08:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amazonriverbasi...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amazonriverbasin_basemap.pngerichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-7079555508617853562016-12-28T09:40:31.634-08:002016-12-28T09:40:31.634-08:00I am more interested in determining which river wa...I am more interested in determining which river was the river Sidon, and where the head of the river Sidon was. Priddis has interesting ideas about it, but I have never fully accepted them. When I look at each instance of the word "Sidon" in the Book of Mormon the river is clearly North-South, but the direction of the flow is not given. But since the head of the river Sidon clearly is put in the wilderness between the Nephites and Lamanites it only makes sense the river ran to the North. When I look at a map of the area, the Montaro (the Priddis choice) does seem the best choice, but it runs South. However, it joints other tributaries and collectively they eventually run North. <br /><br />So my question is: Was it common for Hebrews and/or Egyptians to name a river and include all its tributaries with the same name?erichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.com