tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post4957492964448540800..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: A Case for the Need of Intellectual Honesty – Part IDelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-30621677797288306792017-03-07T16:08:23.891-08:002017-03-07T16:08:23.891-08:00I encourage anyone and everyone everywhere to purs...I encourage anyone and everyone everywhere to pursue Book of Mormon studies and geography in whatever way that grabs their interest, excitement, and passion. Be intellectually honest and logically coherent to the best of your ability. Follow the clues as you see them. Maybe you'll be right, maybe you'll be wrong, but i can say this much without reservation: I've learned great principles and gained powerful insights from purveyors of ALL the various geography models. By the same token, if you disagree with a certain model and therefore ignore and dismiss it and the supporters of it, you're actually depriving yourself. In my view, that is the chief problem in BOM geography studies. Chew up the meat, spit out the bones. WonderBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805920088808750722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-24764945992014493972017-03-02T17:58:17.077-08:002017-03-02T17:58:17.077-08:00I appreciate your willingness to look at the model...I appreciate your willingness to look at the model, but should clarify that the one I mentioned above is quite a bit different from Ralph Olsen's Malay Model. The map is laid out entirely differently to match 6th century BC-420 AD archeological sites and goelogical features required by the BOM text. Here's a series of videos with more detail.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqEBrkf71Ws<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s-eyXh8tWU<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnZIY4wAlk<br /><br />I am logged into my Google account when I post but my name is not showing up. My name is Jay.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-30341527573422129882017-03-02T09:22:24.109-08:002017-03-02T09:22:24.109-08:00Unknown: Scholarly discussions are rarely apprecia...Unknown: Scholarly discussions are rarely appreciated when someone does not identify themselves in some way; however, to answer your Malay issue, see the next section on "Comments From Readers" where I can show maps to counter your unsupportable comments about Malay. This is now scheduled around the last of this month.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-88027737429111827912017-03-02T08:39:55.050-08:002017-03-02T08:39:55.050-08:00The Polynesians have been identified as a remnant ...The Polynesians have been identified as a remnant of the Lamanites since the 1830s. <br /><br />The evidence points to winds and currents from the Middle East leading vessels directly to the Malay Peninsula. That is the intellectually honest answer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-37543982891077885562017-03-02T07:48:05.175-08:002017-03-02T07:48:05.175-08:00That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't...That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see how you can connect Polyeneseans to anything. Follow the evendence as to where the winds and currents took them first. FG Williams had it right and that is something I accept as a revealation.Iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281119992916618849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-82132554987603080242017-03-01T19:03:04.240-08:002017-03-01T19:03:04.240-08:00"All the evidence" seems to be a matter ..."All the evidence" seems to be a matter of opinion when it comes to Book of Mormon geography. In my view, all the evidence points to the isles of the sea as the location. Historically, the isles of the sea covered a much broader geographic area than the North American continent. This is why we find the Lamanite remnant scattered across the Pacific and into the Indian Ocean even today. To settle the issue, we need to follow the Polynesian (Lamanite) DNA to the source from whence it sprang. Although we now know Polynesians were in Brazil before Columbus I don't see much evidence pointing to South America as their source.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-37310579094571817432017-03-01T09:48:45.147-08:002017-03-01T09:48:45.147-08:00Why do we need Malay when all the evidence points ...Why do we need Malay when all the evidence points to South America. As far as I'm concerned the issue is settled. Iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281119992916618849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-75970960583663062102017-02-28T22:44:43.397-08:002017-02-28T22:44:43.397-08:00Or there is Ralph A. Olsen who places the Land of ...Or there is Ralph A. Olsen who places the Land of Promise in Malay, Indonesia, despite the fact that Moroni told Joseph Smith that the people of the Book of Mormon were in the Americas, i.e., “an account of this continent’s former inhabitants” (Joseph Smith History 1:34-35). <br /><br />Did the Angel Moroni tell Joseph that, or was it the Angel Nephi? We can't really be sure because the original manuscript (which postdates the events in the Book of Mormon by 1400 years) says both. <br /><br />The Book of Mormon itself says zero about continents or America or any such modern constructs. The text says they were on an island in the sea, nearly surrounded by water. The Malay Peninsula qualifies as such. <br /><br />I'd love to hear your comments on the latest updates to the "Malay" theory.<br /><br />https://prezi.com/wweu4wvo9ncj/book-of-mormon-comoro-model/<br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-14472766542104479712017-02-28T20:18:57.400-08:002017-02-28T20:18:57.400-08:00The intellectual dishonesty in the Book of Mormon ...The intellectual dishonesty in the Book of Mormon geography models is not nearly as dishonest as the "all is well in Zion" spirit that can lead one to hell (2 Nephi 28:21) that is found in placing the present church leaders above even a possible controversy-- in open defiance of many clear scriptures. <br /><br />http://2bc.info/pdf/pbfraud.pdferichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-55431410460579364932017-02-28T10:13:39.980-08:002017-02-28T10:13:39.980-08:00Having served my mission in Meso, I can tell you t...Having served my mission in Meso, I can tell you that the Coatzacoalcos, Papaloapan, and Grijalva River basins regularly flood in the rainy season (though a series of dams tries to stop that now.<br /><br />If you used the Coatza as your point of reference, you could narrow down the Isthmus down to around 40 miles.<br /><br />But if you tell a Meso that his model would be accurate if it weren't tilted, he will scoff and say that Santa Barbara is north of Los Angeles or that Chiapas is south of Mexico City by local standards today.<br /><br />Care must be taken to pay attention to the Scriptural record as well as science.Bryan Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12260239058235089111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-15587293097503772712017-02-28T09:37:35.572-08:002017-02-28T09:37:35.572-08:00Intellectual honesty is needed to be sure. However...Intellectual honesty is needed to be sure. However, the very existence of the BOM challenges a person’s honesty from the perspective of a secular world. The BOM came forth by the power of God and within its pages are the eye witness accounts to believers of the power of God. In a world where honesty is seen as a relative thing we need to be honest ourselves. Professors and theorists will have a hard time accepting the one key element that exists in the BOM and that is the power of God. The Andes were raised up in a great upheaval never before seen on the face of the earth. Any secular thinking person will reject our model simply because they cannot accept the idea that God could work such a miracle. None of the other BOM models are viable because none of their models show the power of God at work. South America was once an island as the BOM makes clear. That island disappeared 2,000 years ago and replaced by a vast continent that has the appearance of having existed for a much longer period of time. This is a fact that most will not be able to accept nor appreciate. <br /><br />When I see the exceedingly high mountains of the Andes I now think of that prophecy of Samuel the Lamanite in Helaman 14 where it says –and these wonders should come to pass upon all the face of this land, to the intent that there should be no cause for unbelief among the children of men Hel 14:28. So your work is made impossibly difficult, accept for a few, to convince others of the power of God. Intellectual honestly – yes- but also convincing them of the power of God is real as well. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.com