tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post6822730095525969806..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: More on the Malay Geology and Prehistory Delhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-17958483494542621772022-11-24T21:25:57.606-08:002022-11-24T21:25:57.606-08:00You may send email to adamkhan48@gmail.comYou may send email to adamkhan48@gmail.comBurman Managers,Engineers and Scientistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10274350575752554595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-20046035770103512212022-11-24T21:01:31.087-08:002022-11-24T21:01:31.087-08:00To Unknown. Can you identify yourself?To Unknown. Can you identify yourself?Burman Managers,Engineers and Scientistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10274350575752554595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-62841043756460215922022-11-24T20:58:26.858-08:002022-11-24T20:58:26.858-08:00Please continue. It is interesting and valuable.Please continue. It is interesting and valuable.Burman Managers,Engineers and Scientistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10274350575752554595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-86559642021908034492022-11-24T20:57:54.627-08:002022-11-24T20:57:54.627-08:00This is Adam Khan (aka) Raja SarakaThis is Adam Khan (aka) Raja SarakaBurman Managers,Engineers and Scientistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10274350575752554595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-17196041904621691582017-08-12T10:30:52.125-07:002017-08-12T10:30:52.125-07:00Del, thank you. At least now we have the necessary...Del, thank you. At least now we have the necessary information to intellegently debunk this model. In that regard it has been worth while. Let's get back to the real place where the Nephites lived and hopefully find new and exciting information. Ira Iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281119992916618849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-7218425610422169722017-08-12T10:30:07.505-07:002017-08-12T10:30:07.505-07:00Thank you Del. All the best.Thank you Del. All the best.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-44776551642815865802017-08-12T10:29:18.152-07:002017-08-12T10:29:18.152-07:00If you are willing to accept the statements of exp...If you are willing to accept the statements of experts on the matter, there are estimates of a "population of three-quarters of a million" at the precise location we are discussing in the heart of the Malay Peninsula during the time period of the Book of Mormon. These estimates are found in: <br /><br />Agriculture, Hydraulics, and Urbanism at Satingpra, August 1989 JANE ALLEN <br /><br />I don't know how large the Lehite civilization was at its height, but if the center of the Malay Peninsula could sustain 750,000 people during the time of the Book of Mormon that suggests that it was not as itty bitty and very small as you propose.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-39478633041199120922017-08-12T10:17:40.327-07:002017-08-12T10:17:40.327-07:00I agree with so many who have written that this is...I agree with so many who have written that this is of no further interest here. So this was my last article on the Malay Theory. Nothing more can be said. There are two histories of Southeast Asia, one held in the Western World and is supported by thousands of academicians and historians and the other is held by numerous individuals and historians in the eastern world. Evidently, the two will never see eye to eye. So, for those who support the Malay Theory, there re other posts where this issue is acceptable, but here on this blog, it has been thoroughly exhausted and no further articles or rebuttals will be encouraged. Thank you for your interest in the subject. Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-45287936525634981382017-08-12T10:15:09.767-07:002017-08-12T10:15:09.767-07:00Jay, You still haven't answered the question. ...Jay, You still haven't answered the question. The peninsula IS NOT MASSIVE. This is a very small area for millions of people who do not have technology. Yes millions can live there today because they have international trade. Not so anciently and that's the difference.<br /><br />NO I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR RIDICULOUS MODEL. Lets end it. If you respond further I will as well. But you have not made the case. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-19469712455676021652017-08-12T09:50:14.995-07:002017-08-12T09:50:14.995-07:00The Malay Peninsula is massive. It can, and does, ...The Malay Peninsula is massive. It can, and does, easily hold millions of people. The population today is around 33 million people. I don't imagine that the Jaredite or Lehite civilizations were nearly that large. <br /><br />If the Malay Peninsula can hold 35 million people today, I imagine it could have held 1-3 million 2000-5000 years ago. Its not so itty bitty. <br /><br />I answered this a few days back and I do try my best not to "stonewall" by attempting to respond to your dozens of questions and sarcastic jabs. Ira, I agree with David K that we take this conversation elsewhere. I don't know if you would be interested in continuing via email or otherwise, but our back and forth here in the comments section is becoming tiresome. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-8040598102220906402017-08-12T09:39:09.206-07:002017-08-12T09:39:09.206-07:00I'm measuring from the place you said Nephi la...I'm measuring from the place you said Nephi landed to the mainland. The entire length of the peninsula is what Del wrote. From the land of their first inheritance to the mainland is 400 miles<br /> Where is your island? There isn't enough room on this itty bitty penesula as Del pointed out. I've asked you how many times now to tell me where this island of yours is. Where is the narrow neck, where did the Jaredites live. You've ignored everything that has been asked if you. I've had to resort to sarcasm to get anything. <br /><br />So if you want to continue to debate it that's fine. People are tired of your Stonewalling and rediculous statements without any facts to back them up. The model has been completely discredited and that's a fact.Iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281119992916618849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-9675642223395393992017-08-12T09:18:45.075-07:002017-08-12T09:18:45.075-07:00The blog post is about the Malay model, so the com...The blog post is about the Malay model, so the comment section will appropriately discuss the Malay model. As for your questions, I don't even understand them because I do not know where you get things like "400 miles distance to the mainland". What are you measuring? Distance to the mainland from what? Its not clear what you are referring to.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-62992239699211303582017-08-12T09:12:08.696-07:002017-08-12T09:12:08.696-07:00I thought you went away? Did you read the other st...I thought you went away? Did you read the other statement that totally destroys this model? Did you bother reading anything Jay? Where you said they landed the distance to the mainland is only 400 miles. You can't have an island which would be far smaller than that and stuff millions of people. Can't happen. Your model has been destroyed in so many ways. This is only the latest. I'll keep hammering away and pointing out the absurdity of your rediculous model if you want. We are all tired though of you not accepting any facts. Give it a rest Jay, your model has been proven to be wrong definitively.Iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281119992916618849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-88116227796333856222017-08-12T08:44:30.278-07:002017-08-12T08:44:30.278-07:00I shared a document with sources explaining the re...I shared a document with sources explaining the reasons why many geologists suspect that the Malay Peninsula was in fact cut off from the mainland at some point in the recent past, and also in the distant past. I understand some my have trouble opening links from the comments section, so I will share that document again:<br /><br />https://www.evernote.com/l/AAi9NhsV9jtBspbHMi3Lrk5BlfGIaOK9Qjg<br /><br />In this document you will find the following source:<br />The Location of the Indo-Chinese Sundaic Biogeographic Transition in Plants and Birds<br />David S. Woodruff<br />Nat. Hist. Bull., Siam Soc. 51(1):97-108, 2003<br /><br />The document says in relation to several claims made by several different geologists and biologists that the Malay Peninsula was at one point cut off from the mainland by seaways:<br /><br />“Today a sea level at +100 m would flood the peninsula in two places (Woodruff, 2003); in the north a strait would open between Surat Thani and Krabi and, in the south, a strait would open between Songkhla and Kangar. Transgressions in the Miocene and Pliocene were probably in the range of +140 to +150 meters above today’s sea level, although Hutchinson (1989) estimated the Miocene transgression was +220 meters. There northern and southern straits were probably 20-100 km wide and 40-50 km wide, respectively. Both were oriented roughly north-south and contained a number of prominent islands.”<br /><br />“These hypothetical seaways are the only barriers proposed so far to account for the origin and differentiation of the Indochinese and Sundaic biotas. Although such seaways have not featured in most recent bigeographic reconstructions, some earlier workers were aware of their possible existence (e.g. Parnell, 2000). Gerini (1909) cited geological and historical evidence to show that the land between Kedah and Songkhla is an old seabed and argued that boats crossed the peninsula here until a thousand years ago. Ridley (1911b:59) was explicit: “One can gather from the flora that at no great length f time ago the Malay Peninsula was cut off from Burmah south of Kedah, by the sea”. Corbet (1941:116) accepted Ridley’s argument for a sea channel but argued that it lay further north: “that while the present Malay Peninsula has undoubtedly been separated from the Asiatic mainland since the advent of the present species of butterflies, this separation occurred north of Kedah and the southward spread of insects and plants has been obstructed by a married which is largely climatic”. Any relationship between this historical seaway and an earlier prehistoric flooding associated with the +5 meter hypsithermal high stand (7000 years before present) and the current biogeography has yet to be established.”<br /><br />Given the above collection of statements made by several geologists, it is clear that there is a very high probability that the Malay Peninsula was indeed an island at some point in recent geological history. If we accept a Biblical timeline, then it would seem probably that a seaway did indeed cut across the Malay Peninsula, making it an island.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677339672381456270noreply@blogger.com