tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post843153209349482429..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: The Jaredite Lands in the Land Northward-Part IIIDelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-3492860602768342402016-09-13T18:30:39.857-07:002016-09-13T18:30:39.857-07:00Del, you mention pre-flood people. My observation ...Del, you mention pre-flood people. My observation is there are no remnants of any pre-flood people because of the destructive nature of Noah's flood. You've figured out quite nicely that not only c-14 but other dating systems are in error. I know however that archaeologists would argue that there were people living before what would be the flood at 2350ish BC. I know that would have been impossible. Thanks for the information even though I know you've discussed these things before. Great information Thanks! iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-86807928519195460982016-09-13T09:51:01.923-07:002016-09-13T09:51:01.923-07:00To clarify, the Sea East began in the area of the ...To clarify, the Sea East began in the area of the present Andes Mountains location; however, the Andes are wide and cover a large distance, and exactly where within that area the coast might have been is impossible to say without enormous geological computer models. As for the Amazon, the area called Amazonia is to the eastern side of the Andes, beginning somewhere along the slopes of those mountains (depending where you are in the continent), and now covers what was once the Sea East in that area all the way to the present seacoast (Brazilian east coast). If that doesn't answer your question, let me know.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-40652272725558723452016-09-12T11:44:27.294-07:002016-09-12T11:44:27.294-07:00Have you modified your map? I'd have to dig b...Have you modified your map? I'd have to dig back through the archives, but I thought you've had the Land Northward with the sea on the east where the mountains ranges are now rather than in the are of the Amazon.Michael Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08315787162790624190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-78123658144285538712016-09-12T10:26:46.479-07:002016-09-12T10:26:46.479-07:00iterry, there are two or three claims regarding wh...iterry, there are two or three claims regarding which is the oldest civilization along the area of Ecuador (spreading out from the Santa Elena Peninsula—claimed to be the oldest civilization in South America). The so-called Las Vegas culture is considered one of the oldest that centered around Santa Elena. There is also the Valdivian culture along this coastal area. We have written about these early cultures in recent posts over the past year if memory serves me correctly. There is also the El Inga around the Quito area in the north that was very ancient. One of the problems we find in trying to determine Jatedite factors is the confusion created by the pre-Flood peoples and the post-Flood people in an area like Ecuador where so little archaeological work has been conducted. The jungles have covered up so much and new sites keep being discovered as groups get serious about the Ecuadorian landscape. It is easier to separate the Flood from the Nephi period, because of the lengthy time differential, but the Jaredites followed the Flood very closely and we have no measurement devices that can pinpoint something like that since C-14 is so skewed as we’ve reported her numerous times.<br /><br />Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-47456150589978553522016-09-12T10:26:24.898-07:002016-09-12T10:26:24.898-07:00erichard: Yours is an excellent point and one we d...erichard: Yours is an excellent point and one we deal with all the time, looking for all types of records and computer simulations that have been worked out by geologists to ascertain the changes in climate, temperature, winds and ocean currents as they might be affected by changes. Obviouisly, according to Helaman 14:23, there were mountains in the Land of Promise, and evidently ones of some height since their removal was in the form of a catastrophic event (tumbling down) according to Nephi and Samuel the Lamanite. And since mountain building is a precise thing, i.e., the tectonic forces of volcanism—volcanic, fold or block mountains rise resulting from plate tectonics, where compressional forces, isostatic uplift and intrusion of igneous matter forces surface rock upward, creating a landform higher than the surrounding features. The Andes came up (evidently from valleys, according to Samuel the Lamanite) as these forces were employed by the lord during this 3-hour period that shook the earth as if it was to divide asunder, i.e., nothing like it had ever happened before and obviously not as far a we know of the time during the crucifixion.<br />The point being, one set of mountains creates a climate, remove that mountain chain and replace it with another and you still have a climate—it might have moved somewhat, but since the same building blocks (tectonic plate activity) beneath the earth is at the root of both mountain chains, the climate and other matters affected would be fairly closely aligned. <br />As for the trees, I think the trees were in specific areas, not all over the country. Again, living conditions in the three divisions of Ecuador (and these three divisions would have existed prior to the rise of the Andes in their present location except for the third area, or El Oriente [the East] meaning whatr we call the Amazon today, since most of that would have been beneath the Sea East—but still, the Sea East (or inland sea) and the Amazon Basin of today would not have been much different since the waters, moisture, humidity, etc., would have been there during both topographical periods.<br />What geologists have claimed is that the forests along the coastal area have been affected, and in some areas, never grew much for some reason (mountain ranges helped keep the moisture dry along the coast). As an example, for those in Utah, if you were to move the Twin Peaks to Timpanogos mountains either to the west or to the east over one valley (a handful of miles), it would not affect the climate on either side much—just move it slightly (very slightly in a large, overall land area such as the state). The same would be true for the entire Wasatch Range—such a movement would make the Salt Lake City side wider if the mountains moved to the east fifty miles, or twenty miles, etc. It onlh means that Park City would be fifty or twenty miles to the eastk, etc. (we could go into a lot of technical detail on this, but I think you get the idea)<br />Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-50494602166881926602016-09-12T08:39:09.357-07:002016-09-12T08:39:09.357-07:00Question: has archaeology in this area come up wit...Question: has archaeology in this area come up with a name for the Jaredites civilization that lived there? I've read somewhere that the oldest civilization in all of South America is in Ecuador. So I was curious if archaeology has given them a name. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-73721898857222617002016-09-12T08:18:57.394-07:002016-09-12T08:18:57.394-07:00Are you taking into account that in the time of th...Are you taking into account that in the time of the Jaredites the Andes were not as high as they are today? That would change the climate for the Jaredite period and then even until the time of Christ. Apparently from the way I read it, the Jaredites eventually cut down most of the trees in their lands. Is there evidence of that? Of course it was a long time ago.erichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.com