tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post8791265874143496625..comments2023-11-02T03:08:07.417-07:00Comments on NephiCode: More Comments From Readers – Part IIIDelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-51513954041330754772017-01-06T11:02:21.573-08:002017-01-06T11:02:21.573-08:00Give it up Devon, Lehi never sailed to the east co...Give it up Devon, Lehi never sailed to the east coast of North America. It didn't happen and Del has proven his case as far as I'm concerned. You have not proven yours. iterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836783863542965577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-34749167214805397922017-01-06T10:24:25.854-08:002017-01-06T10:24:25.854-08:00You wrote: "Your attempts to show Beale's...You wrote: "Your attempts to show Beale's Phoenicia was significantly different than Nephi's ship don't hold water. I do understand tacking, and the Phoenicia couldn't do it. But you need to read past the book title "Sailing close to the wind" which implies tacking capablility"<br /><br />No, it does not. Evidently you are so quick to draw conclusions in defense of your point that you bypass knowledge on the subject. Any fixed sail ship with a halyard fixed sail can sail within 10% to 20% of the wind. Beale understands that, it is why he chose the title of his book. I mean no disrespect, but if you are going to argue a point, learn the point you wish to discuss.<br /><br />Beale's efforts were remarkable, as are anyone's who achieves such awesome results; you are just trying to say that apples and oranges are the same thing--they are both edible but different. Beale's voyage in the 21st century, no matter how he replicated it, is simply not the same as Lehi in 600 B.C., or any two voyages 2700 years apart are ever going to be. If you have not seen the movie "Sully" go see it--Tom Hanks character at the final NTSB hearing makes this point quite well when he spoke of the "human factor." When you know in advance matters, your reaction and the results are going to be different than experiencing them for the first time--sailing is a life-long endeavor, it is rarely learned in just one voyage. Lehi, Nephi, et al, had never been to sea before. Yet you would have the Lord take them along the most dangerous path possible from Point A to Point B. I simply disagree with you.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982095508142923740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5948352943362975805.post-37702478354100914822017-01-05T17:25:33.879-08:002017-01-05T17:25:33.879-08:00Your attempts to show Beale's Phoenicia was si...Your attempts to show Beale's Phoenicia was significantly different than Nephi's ship don't hold water. I do understand tacking, and the Phoenicia couldn't do it. But you need to read past the book title "Sailing close to the wind" which implies tacking capablility.<br /><br />A book review by www.oceancruisingclub.org states:<br />"Most disturbing is the book’s title, which is absurd for a vessel with a single, square (ie. downwind) sail."<br /><br />The Phoenicia's own documentation states:<br />"The single square sail limited her manoeuvrability so she needed the wind behind her. As a result the prevailing winds and currents dictated her journey around Africa." and "The trip took the crew – which varied in size, from six at one point up to 15" not 25-30.<br /><br />Your graphic above with the blue box shows only down wind configurations which is all that the Phoenicia with her square sail was capable of.<br /><br />Your lengthy comments about tacking while interesting are irrelevant. Your comments about "deep water, coastal voyage, experienced seaman, ship builder, Borobodar, set in to land, danger, fear, Mulekites, Phoenicians, and not crossing the Atlantic" are also all irrelevant or incorrect.<br /><br />A coastal voyage was Beale's intention but wasn't the result. After rounding the tip of Africa winds and currents forced him out into the Atlantic where he stopped at St Helena, and Ascension. But everything after that was deep water with no stops as he crossed the Atlantic to within 400 miles (4 sailing days) of Florida. Then north into the North Atlantic, back east across the North Atlantic, and finally south to the Azores before getting into the Mediterranean and back on course. An "experienced seaman" with tacking capability would have kept his scheduled coastal stops up the West coast of Africa instead of crossing the Atlantic twice.<br /><br />I am not trying to be mean spirited and rain on your parade. I make no argument here against a possible Chili landing. But your arguments against an Atlantic crossing for Nephi have been dashed by Beale's Phoenicia crossing the Atlantic using favorable winds and currents in spite of your previous paper charts showing none exist. I just think you and your readers would be better served if you used correct and relevant information in your arguments in this case.<br />DeVon Mechamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823659423814812907noreply@blogger.com