Comment: “The Book of Mormon states that in the later years of the Nephite culture, there were large cities and villages in all quarters of the land that were circled by moats.”
A typical moat is shown around the Leeds castle in England
While this might signal a ditch around a city, it does not meet the requirements of a “moat,” which means “a deep, wide ditch surrounding a castle, fort, or town, typically filled with water and intended as a defense against attack.” In 1828, the word “moat” meant much the same “to surround with a ditch for defense, as a moated castle.”
Third, the reference is the defense of weak Nephite cities. That is, the cities of Ammonihah and Noah had been fortified since they had been weakly defended earlier and the Lamanites had successfully attacked them. On this occasion, however, “how great was their disappointment; for behold, the Nephites had dug up a ridge of earth round about them, which was so high that the Lamanites could not cast their stones and their arrows at them that they might take effect, neither could they come upon them save it was by their place of entrance” (Alma 49:4).
In fact, Mormon tells us: “to their astonishment, the city of Noah, which had hitherto been a weak place, had now, by the means of Moroni, become strong, yea, even to exceed the strength of the city Ammonihah” (Alma 49:14). This was all because “the city of Noah had hitherto been the weakest part of the land” (Alma 49:15). Obviously, it required some special defenses, and Mormon tells us what that defense was: “the Nephites had dug up a ridge of earth round about them, which was so high that the Lamanites could not cast their stones and their arrows at them that they might take effect” (Alma 49:4).
A ditch around a fortified city in creating an earth bank at Old Sarum,
near Salisbury in England
Fourth, “in all quarters of the land” is an inaccurate statement. We only know that this occurred in the north. As Mormon tells it: “In that same year to build many cities on the north, one in a particular manner which they called Lehi, which was in the north by the borders of the seashore” (Alma 50:15, emphasis added). In fact, since this event followed the earlier comment about a ditch (, it should be noted that the Nephites were building cities in the north after the building of a ditch around the city of Lehi and Noah.
Eight years later, the Nephites, using captured Lamanites, built a ditch around the city of Bountiful (Alma 53:3). However, this ditch was different, and understandably so because it was their major northern city, which included a breastwork of timbers upon the inner bank of the ditch. This ditch “surrounded the city of Bountiful round-about with a strong wall of timbers and earth, to an exceeding height” (Alma 53:4).
Comment; “The major cities were encircled by fortified moats or trenches built
during the reign of the judges.”
Response: As shown above, it is not
discussing “the major cities,” but only four cities are listed: Ammonihah,
Lehi, Noah, and Bountiful. All of these cities were in the north, as it says.
There is no mention of such ditches or palisades anywhere else.
Mormon tells
us that the Nephites were “building walls of stone to encircle them about,
round about their cities and the borders of their lands; yea, all round about
the land. Thus, we should see some type of stone walls, such as this one, that
is still standing
It should be noted that in this last scriptural statement, the “throwing up banks of earth round about to enclose his armies. This does not mean cities, towns or villages—it was to protect the Nephite armies.
Comment: “The dwellings in the land southward were likely constructed of light wood with thatched roofs, built upon raised mounds of rock and earth, with cobbled pathways in-between.
Response: There are several assumptions listed here without specific scriptural reference and without support.
1. The dwellings in the land southward were likely constructed of light wood;
2. With thatched roofs;
3. Built on raised mounds of rock and earth;
4. Cobbled pathways in between.
We only know that in the Land Southward, which the Lamanites controlled, they lived in two types of facilities: cities built by the Nephites and abandoned (Mosiah 9:7-8); and 2) Tents (Alma 22:28).
A thatched roof, found only
on vertical roofs, and are not usable as a floor
It is hard to do on a wood house with a thatched roof, which never appeared in or around Jerusalem, nor did they build on raised mounds or piles of rock. As an example, Isaiah talks of fallen bricks of houses “to be replaced with hewn stone, and the sycamore trees had been cut down and was to be replaced with cedar“ (Isaiah 9:10) for the internal wood-work of the houses.
Comment: "The people lived in houses of wood and "cement", and on a more temporary basis in tents."
Response: First, "The people" suggests a majority or basically all, which is inaccurate here regarding "cement" houses. Not all, a majority, or even many Nephites are implied by Mormon, who is describing the first people to enter the Land Northward who found the land devoid of trees, and had to learn how to build their houses out of "cement" (Helaman 3:7,9,11), which is unlikely to be the type of cement we use today.
Second, There is no mention or suggestion that Nephites lived in tents, even on a temporary basis, once Nephi separated himself and those who would go with him from his older brothers, Laman and Lemual, along with the sons of Ishmael. From that point on we only read about living in cities and never a mention of a tent.
(See the next post, “Does the Book of Mormon Actually Say This? – Part
II,” for more on the difference between theorist statements and the scriptural
record)
The reference to living in tents comes from:
ReplyDeleteHelaman 3:9 And the people who were in the land northward did dwell in tents, and in houses of cement...
So it does mention Nephites who moved Northward living in tents. That's probably where that comment came from.
Yes,but that was temporary. Lehi and his party upon landing also lived in tents.
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