Comment #1: “Comment “I read this exchange on the internet and wondered what you thought of it…”For the past 50 years, some scholars have suggested that common Latter-day Saint usage of Cumorah confuses two different places and that the modest hill where Joseph Smith recovered the plates is not the eminence of the genocidal battles. [Fair enough; some scholars have suggested that. But it's a direct contradiction to what Oliver Cowdery said was a fact in Letter VII.] Further, the Cumorah battlefield is seen by many scholars as the key for identifying the location of the ancient lands described in the book. Hence, much rests on its correct placement. [That makes sense.] All these observations lead to a paradox explored here: before archaeology can reveal Cumorah’s secrets, it must first be employed to identify its location. [It's only a paradox if we disregard what Oliver and Joseph and David Whitmer said. Each of them had personal encounters with Moroni, unlike any archaeologist. They gave us a specific pin in the map.]
The Hill Cumorah. Note how small the
hill is, and how it would not have provided protection for the survivors and
could have easily have been run over by the Lamanites
Trying to convince us that somehow Moroni told Oliver special, detailed information is out of character with the doctrines of revelation, and are not supported officially by the Church and never have been. After all, “personal encounters” with Moroni had to do with the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the restoration of the gospel and priesthood—it did not have to do with, as far as anything ever stated, that Moroni divulged secret information to Oliver, despite Neville wanting us to think so.
And as far as a specific pin the map, what on earth does Neville think Mormon gave us? Because of Mormon, we know where things are, not because of Oliver Cowdery. And Moroni was Mormon’s son—are we to think that Moroni knew more about Cumorah than Mormon, the man who commanded a quarter of a million soldiers in that final batter at a place he arranged and knew about?
Comment #2: “Do you really think that there are apostles of God living today?” Arthur W.
The
so-called primeval slime, where evolutionists claim life begun
Comment #3: “I have lived in Ohio most of my life, and Cincinnati has been my home for the last several years. I have seen some of the Hopewell mounds, and they remind me of the description of mounds, timbers, and stone walls described in the Book of Mormon.”
Response: That is not how Mormon describes the use of mounds. The Hopewell mounds and those throughout eastern North America and the Mississippi Valley are referred to as flat-topped pyramidal earthen structure, flat mounds, i.e., they are square, rectangular, or wavy, but for the most part, cover a large area. Their purpose has yet to be determined more than 1) Burial Mounds, and 2) Effigy Mounds.
Monk’s Mound in Illinois. Not there is not a defensive wall about it
nor are their heaps of earth surrounding it. It is just a flat level mound of
Earth that has no connection to the Book of Mormon
One of the more famous effigy mounds is the Serpent Mound in southern Ohio, which is five feet tall, 20-feet wide, and over 1330 long and shaped like a serpent.
The Serpent Mound—hardly matching anything in the Book of Mormon
Mormon goes on to described the purpose of these heaps of earth: “And upon the top of these ridges of earth he caused that there should be timbers, yea, works of timbers built up to the height of a man, round about the cities. And he caused that upon those works of timbers there should be a frame of pickets built upon the timbers round about; and they were strong and high” (Alma 50:2-3).
It is clear that the Nephites built such defensive heaps of earth around their army and around the cities. As Mormon states: “Thus Moroni did prepare strongholds against the coming of their enemies, round about every city in all the land” (Alma 50:6). However, Mormon also makes it clear that the walls Capt. Moroni built around his army and around every city throughout the land was made of stone: “he had been strengthening the armies of the Nephites, and erecting small forts, or places of resort; throwing up banks of earth round about to enclose his armies, and also building walls of stone to encircle them about, round about their cities and the borders of their lands; yea, all round about the land” (Alma 48:8, emphasis added).
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