Tuesday, March 2, 2021

The Fallacy of Scientific Dating – Part I

 So much is determined and stated today using radiometric or carbon-14 dating, especially in geology and archaeology—that, is where such and such is determined to be so many hundreds or thousands of years old—that we have archaeological dates of settlements, towns, and people being dated to 5,000 or even to 12,000 years “before the present,” or more, making a specimen having existed in 3000 BC to 10,000 BC or earlier. In fact, entire civilizations and various “cultures” are based on this dating (Carbon 14 dating).

In fact, radiometric dating methods are used in geochronology to establish the geologic time scale. Among the best-known techniques are radiocarbon dating, potassium–argon dating and uranium–lead dating. Relative dating is used to determine the approximate age of a fossil by comparing it to similar rocks and fossils of known ages. Absolute dating is used to determine a precise age of a fossil by using radiometric dating (Carbon 14 dating) to measure the decay of isotopes, either within the fossil or more often the rocks associated with it. 

Many minerals are formed with small quantities of radioactive isotopes. For example, uranium is a common impurity in the mineral zircon. Most of the potassium atoms in potassium felspars are stable potassium 39, but a small percentage are unstable potassium 40.

This Carbon-14 dating is limited to a particular time frame in which the age of certain archeological artifacts of a biological origin are up to about 50,000 years old. This is based on knowing the half-life of parent isotopes:

What is known is that the duration of a half-life is unique for each radioactive isotope. Some examples: the half-life for the decay of potassium 40 atoms into argon 40 atoms is about 1.3 billion years, the half-life for the decay of uranium 238 into lead 206 is about 4.5 billion years; however, the half-life for the decay of carbon 14 into Nitrogen 14 is only 5,730 years.

Natural radioactive processes are characterized by a half-life—the time it takes for half of the material to decay radioactively. The amount of material left over after a certain number of half-lives can easily be calculated

 

The result is like a radioactive clock that ticks away as unstable isotopes decay into stable ones. Scientist cannot predict when a specific unstable atom, or parent, will decay into a stable atom, or daughter. But they can predict how long it will take a large group of atoms to decay. The element's half-life is the amount of time it takes for half the parent atoms in a sample to become daughters.

One half-life after a radioactive isotope is incorporated into a rock there will be only half of the original radioactive (parent) atoms remaining and an equal number of secondary (daughter) atoms will have been produced. The ratio of parent to daughter after one half-life will be 1:1. After two half-lives, half of the remaining half will decay, leaving one-quarter of the original radioactive parent atoms. Those transformed atoms bring the tally of daughter atoms to three-quarters of the crop of parent plus daughter atoms. The ratio of parent to daughter atoms after two half-lives is therefore 1:3 (one-quarter to three-quarters). Successive half-lives reduce the original parent to one-eighth, one-sixteenth, one-thirty-second, and so on. The ratios of parent to daughter isotopes for these are 1:7, 1:15, 1:31.

Despite seeming like a relatively stable place, the Earth's surface has changed dramatically over what Scientists claim is the past 4.6 billion years. In that time, they say, mountains have been built and eroded, continents and oceans have moved great distances, and the Earth has fluctuated from being extremely cold with ice to being very warm and ice-free. They also claim that these changes typically occur so slowly that they are barely detectable over the span of a human life, yet even at this instant, the Earth's surface is moving and changing. Further, the claim is that as these changes have occurred, organisms have evolved, and remnants of some have been preserved as fossils—which can be studied to determine what kind of organism it represents, how the organism lived, and how it was preserved.

However, by itself a fossil has little meaning unless it is placed within some context. The age of the fossil must be determined so it can be compared to other fossil species from the same time period. Understanding the ages of related fossil species helps scientists piece together the evolutionary history of a group of organisms—as long as the age is accurately determined. 

As the parent specimen progresses through time, the parent item diminishes as the daughter grows

 

So assuming that when a rock forms it contains an unstable isotope and none of the daughter isotope (or a well-known amount), and assuming that over geologic time the rock remains a closed system (no parent or daughter enters or leaves the rock), then that rock can be accurately dated by determining the ratio of parent to daughter atoms—what science has calledAbsolute dating,” which is the process of determining an age on a specified chronology in archaeology or geology.

Some scientists prefer the terms chronometric or calendar dating, instead of the term "absolute,” which implies an unwarranted certainty of accuracy (Susan Toby Evans and David L. Webster, Archaeology of ancient Mexico and Central America: an encyclopedia, Garland, New York, 2001, p203; Winfried Henke, Handbook of paleoanthropology, Springer, New York, 2007, p312).

As an example, Scientists claim the oldest rocks known on the Earth are about four billion years old. The oldest samples from our solar system (moon rocks and meteorites) are 4.5 to 4.6 billion years old. Radiometric dating of igneous rocks contained in sedimentary sequences have enabled geologists to arbitrarily assign ages to the geologic timescale that was originally based entirely on relative geologic time.

A system is either closed or open depending on whether external influences are able to act upon it

 

A closed system is a physical system that does not allow transfer of matter in or out of the system. An example of a closed system is a frying pan on a stove when its lid is tightly closed. In this configuration the frying pan receives heat (energy) from the stove, while no mass enters or leaves the pan, thus making it a closed system. Another similar example is a pressure cooker on a stove, with tightly fitting closed lid. On the other hand, and open system can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. As an example, a frying pan or pressure cooker without a lid. Again, an open system would be a glass of water (juice, milk, etc.), whereas a closed system would be a bottle of water that has a tightly fitting lid to help ensure that the matter inside its system will remain constant.

Behind all this dating process, which Scientists tend to ignore, are seven initial assumptions made about time dating through carbon-14 radiocarbon dating techniques and time clocks, that need to be clearly understood for any accuracy to exist within the clocks, or our belief in them. That is, each of these assumptions must be accurate and must always have existed for any specimen tested and dated. In order to use scientific dating methods to determine accurate dates of past events, that is atoms of a parent radioactive isotope randomly decay into a daughter isotope. Seven of these fragile assumptions are:

(See the next post. “The Fallacy of Scientific Dating – Part II,” for these seven points)

9 comments:

  1. Thank you for addressing the scientific dating. Years ago I read many articles that said caution needs to be taken with scientific dating. This was repeated over the years, then it was never mentioned and still isn't.
    Unfortunately science, research, everything... has slowly been politicized and not for anything good.

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  2. Should we assume that decay time frame is always constant? Or perhaps does it fluctuate? How did the antediluvian peoples live to such a great age? The great Velikovsky theorized that decay was not constant, that decay and aging were caused by cosmic rays. I have no idea since I wouldn't have the background to know if he was correct. If he was correct that would be a dagger to the heart of the theories of the so called modern Priests or scientists who seem to espouse Darwinism. They have built up a house of cards which one day shall come crashing down.

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  3. I can answer one if the questions about the great age of the antediluvians. You notice by their ages something that is very odd. They are having their children at what we would consider very old age of over 100 years. If they were actually living to 950 years then they should be having children at 20 to 30 years.

    The reason is the earth rotated at a much faster rate before the flood. Their life spans actually were about the same as ours but maybe slightly longer. After the flood the earth's rotation was slowing down. At the time of the Roman emperors the earth had slowed down so much that 2 months had to be added to the calendar. They are July for Julius Caesar and August for Augustus Caesar.

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    1. Do you have sources that show how this conclusion is reached? (That the earth's rotation was faster before the flood.)

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    2. No, this is something that is only found in scripture. Look at the dates and you'll be able to see the discrepancy. Enoch calls himself a lad at 60 years old when God calls him to be a prophet. The reason there are no sources is because who even believes in the flood in the first place.

      One other thing I didn't mention. Before the time of the Romans the dating system was divided into 10 months of the year. From September to December they are actually numbers. Sept =7, Oct =8 Nov =9 Dec = 10. In old parish registers these are called the ber months.

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  4. My good brother Iterry! Get on Amazon and buy Worlds in collision by Velikovsky. Thanks for replying to me. I understand Einstein was reading this when he passed away. If it is too expensive go to interlibrary loan if you are close to a Utah library. I am not sure if all his theories are correct but it is amazing reading.

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  5. Wow guys ! That would make a mess of the weather if the earth rotated 10x faster! We gotta get a new theory going. My theory may not be correct but thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

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  6. Hi CharlesJoelummus, I read the thing many years ago. I've forgotten most of the book now. It was interesting nevertheless. It is good advice.

    I had a friend years ago that was a Hebrew scholar. He went to Israel to study with the rabbi's. He told me that written in the old books were references to what the earth was like before the flood. Nobody has access to those books he told me. They are only shown to a very few privileged people.

    It is too bad that somehow the LDS people think they have all knowledge when it comes to scripture. Sure we have quite a bit through Joseph Smith, but the Jews have information that we do not have. And the reason I think we don't have it is because of our arrogance in thinking we know everything. Or at least believe we know the thing that counts.

    The conditions of this earth before the flood were far different then they are today. He told me some of the things that were written there. I don't remember him telling me about the rotation of the earth however. He did say there was a reference to the pillars of the earth and the water for the flood did come from above the firmament. It was fascinating to hear what he had to say. This was many years ago and so some details I've forgotten.



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  7. Thanks for commenting back to me do not know what to think about all that I hope my humor comes through if you knew me at all you would know that I'm quite a silly guy even in my old age

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