Continuing from the
previous post regarding the website article of Richard G. Grant (Come to Zarahemla) and the article
written in it called “Lehi in the Promised Land: What did he Find?”
And with a sub-heading “When they arrived, what did they Find? Cows and horses?
Were there others there?”
The last post continued with Grant’s writing, mostly a
repeat of Sorenson’s issues about population and the need for additional groups
of people other than Lehi’s posterity.
Grant
Writes: “Sherem is not family. The story
gives no hint that Jacob recognizes Sherem as the descendent of one of his
brothers.”
Response:
Another specious comment. First of all, we don’t know who Sherem was, or what
his lineage might have been. Sherem does use the term “Brother Jacob,” which is a title and has no specific reference to
blood line, nor is one implied here or elsewhere. Today, we use it in the
Church regularly, and there is no reason to believe it was not used in the same
way with the Nephites. If Sherem was of some direct relation, such as a
descendant of one of Jacob’s brothers, he might have been listed as such in the
first verse (chapter 7) when he is first introduced, however, Jacob merely
says, “there came a man among the people of Nephi,” which could mean he was of
the Nephite lineage (Nephi, Sam, Zoram, Jacob or Joseph), or one of those Nephi
took with him, who are not specifically identified other than Zoram, Sam,
Jacob, Joseph and his two sisters, “and all those who would go with [him]" (2
Nephi 5:6).
Grant
spends a lot of time and effort speculating about things that are simply not
suggested or inferred in the scriptural record. Such writing has little value
and certainly not beneficial to any further or deeper understanding.
Grant
Writes: “Population, cultural
differences, and the story of Sherem all suggest that there must have been
others.”
Response:
None of this suggests anything of the kind. All these factors can and are
explained by the facts listed. Speculating on issues not suggested only clouds
the scriptural record with valueless ideas that are unsupported by anything other
than the writer’s (Grant’s) mind.
Grant
Writes: “A look at the language diversity in Mesoamerica at the time of
Columbus again leads linguists to conclude that the cultural history is
complex.”
Response:
Before one can begin writing about such matters regarding Mesoamerica, as
Sorenson, Allen, et al, and now Grant, choose to do, one should first make a
legitimate case for Mesoamerica from the facts and descriptions found within
the scriptural record—a fact Sorenson and others have never done (see the
book Inaccuracies of Mesoamerican and
Other Theorists).
Grant
Writes: “Recent studies have demonstrated
that about 200 languages were spoken in Mesoamerica alone at the time of the
arrival of the Spanish.”
Response:
From the time of Lehi’s landing and the Spanish arrival was approximately 2100
years. How anyone got the number 200 is an interesting issue, since the early
Priests, the only ones who would have understood different languages, were not
out counting languages, but were heavily involved in trying to convert those
few indigenous peoples they encountered. The U.S. has been populated for only
about 400 years and there are more than a hundred different languages and
dialects stemming from the original settlers. What does any of that suggest? In
addition, what exactly are the “recent studies”? Anything done today or
recently regarding what existed in the Americas before or at the time of the
Spanish conquest is hardly going to be accurate in any way and would be used
only for “wishful thinking.”
Grant
Writes: “Br Sorenson concludes that this
evidence "cannot accommodate the picture that the book of Mormon gives us
of its peoples without supposing that 'others' were on the scene when Lehi's
group came ashore,” then adds: “With careful reading, we can see that the Book
of Mormon give rather explicit hints of other peoples. For example, Alma,
praying about the dissenting Zoramites, says, "O Lord, their souls are
precious, and many of them are our brethren"
(Alma 31:35). In other verses, Lamanite, Mulekites, and even Jaredites,
are referred to as brethren. Who,
then, are these people that Alma alludes to who are apparently not Lamanite,
Mulekite, or even Jaredite?”
Response:
“Our brethren” in this case refers to Alma talking about those that are members
of the Church. Those that are not “our brethren” would be those who are not
members of the Church. If one would read before and after this quoted passage,
they would see that Alma is on a missionary journey, converting people to the
gospel, and talking about those who he was trying to convert.
Grant
Writes: “Following several such examples,
Dr. Sorenson concludes: Hereafter,
readers will not be justified in saying that the record fails to mention
"other" but only that we readers have hitherto failed to observe what
is said and implied about such people in the Book of Mormon.”
Response: Such is the thinking of Sorenson. He makes up
things, then uses them as fact, and finally tells us that we have no right to
disagree with him and his findings. The first thing anyone needs to do to find
other people in the scriptural record is to point out that they are referred to
as such. Nowhere is any other people mentioned in the entire scriptural record
of 14 books and nearly 20 writers.
Simply put, no other group of people
are mentioned, suggested, or inferred!
Sorenson can make
people up, Grant can mimic Sorenson’s words, but that does not change the
scriptural record. Not one single writer in the entire Book of Mormon, not
Mormon or Moroni who abridged those records. Not Joseph Smith who translated
them, nor the Spirit who verified that translation, ever suggests in any way
there were any other people.
In fact, the writers
seem to go out of their way to describe, or at least mention in some detail,
all those people, places, and events, which interacted with the main Nephite
story. Not one mentions or suggests another people anywhere in the record.
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ReplyDeleteI suspect the real reason Sorenson and others harp so much on "others" is because the Mesoamerican theory demands it. So many people were demonstrably in M.A. that their theory falls apart without others being present. Unfortunately, they use their putative geography to inform the text, rather than the other way around, as you often point out.
If one begins a theory based on a fallacy.. it will always be a fallacy until the beginning theory changes no matter what you add to it. Bottom line is: Lehi Never Saw MesoAmerica! As long as one believes he did.. no matter what you say or add to that.. it will always come up as a fallacy.
ReplyDeleteTherein lies the problem with all theories which start with a place first, then trying to find scriptures to back it up. Once ruins were found in Mesoamerica, it became "the place" and scholars began to try and match it up with the scriptural record. When they could not, they had to change the scriptural record, change its meaning, change its descriptions, give the record a new directional system, introduce marathon runners to equate a day and a half journey, etc. However, once committed I doubt you will find anyone changing their mind any time soon. Even the Lord had to wait for the Old Guard of the Children of Israel to die off before he could lead them to the promised land.
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