Continuing
from the previous post and our responses to the article George Potter wrote
that was sent to us by one of our readers. Resuming with Potter’s reasoning
regarding the line between the Land of Desolation and the Land of Bountiful:
• “We know
that the narrow pass had great military significance, for if the “pass” fell,
the Lamanites could possess the land northward.”
The
Nephites were separated from the Lamanites by a (white arrow) narrow strip of
wilderness. North of there, beyond the Lands of Zarahemla and Bountiful lay the
(red arrow) narrow neck of land. It took the Lamanites until 350 A.D. 950 years
to reach that point where Mormon and the Lamanites made a treaty giving the
Lamanites all the Land Southward and the Nephites all the Land Northward;
obviously, Potter’s statement is not accurate
Response: First of all, the Lamanite throughout most
of the Nephite history (until around the third century A.D. in the time of
Mormon) were nowhere near the narrow wneck of land, being restricted to the
Land of Nephi as Mormon informs us (Alma 22:34). Before the Lamanites battled their way toward the
north in the last century B.C., most of the Nephite concerns were from
dissenters trying to gain the Land Northward as a base of operations, and in
some way enter into a liason with the Lamanites in order to have a two-front
war against the Nephites (Alma 50:32).
Secondly, the entire small or narrow
neck of land marked this area of significance. The narrow pass was simply the
means of ingress from one land (Land Southward) into the other land (Land
Northward). As long as that pass was held, the Lamanites or Nephite defectors
could not take possession of the Land Northward and create a Second Front the
Nephites would be compelled to protect.
• “In a later attack by the Lamanites, the same
strategic place is simply called “the line which was between the land Bountiful
and the land Desolation” (3 Nephi 3:23) with no mention of a narrow neck of
land.”
Response: There was only one way to get from one
land (Land Southward) into the other land (Land Northward) and that was through
the narrow pass or passage that led across the narrow neck of land. The line,
once again, was the division or boundary between these two major lands, and the
actual border between the Land of Desolation on the north and the Land of
Bountiful on the south (Alma 22:32).
From
all of this, it should be quite clear why this area was such a strategic value
to the Nephites. As long as they could hold the narrow pass within the narrow
neck of land, then they could maintain the Land Northward and keep it from
being infiltrated by Lamanites or defectors. In this way, as Mormon said “Therefore the Lamanites could have no more
possessions only in the land of Nephi, and the wilderness round about. Now this
was wisdom in the Nephite—as the Lamanites were an enemy to them, they would
not suffer their afflictions on every hand, and also that they might have a
country [Land Northward] whither they might flee, according to their desires” (Alma 22:34).
Now Potter switches in his writing to try and
place such an area within his Land of Promise. He writes:
Potter: “Is there in Peru a narrow, yet strategic,
transportation corridor that starts at the Pacific and ends in the mountains
that possessed these seven characteristics at the time of the Jaredites and
Nephites?”
Response: We are not
really looking for a transportation corridor, for no such language is used or
implied within the scriptural record. What we are looking for is an area that
could have been once, during the time of the Nephites, or today, a narrow neck
of land with a narrow pass or passage through it, enabling a limited or guarded
ingress from the Land Southward into the Land Northward.
As
Mormon wrote of the northward flight of the defector Morianton: “Now behold, the people who were
in the land Bountiful, or rather Moroni, feared that they would hearken to the
words of Morianton and unite with his people, and thus he would obtain
possession of those parts of the land, which would lay a foundation for serious
consequences among the people of Nephi, yea, which consequences would lead to
the overthrow of their liberty. Therefore Moroni sent an army, with their camp,
to head the people of Morianton, to stop their flight into the land northward”
(Alma 50:32-33).
The problem is, when we start calling it a
transportation corridor and not a narrow passage, we lose sight of the
restricted area this passage contained, which in turn, allows one to use a much
larger land area to claim is this area. Thus Potter answers his question about
there being such a place in Peru by saying:
Potter: “The
answer is yes, and it is not hard to identify. It is right where we would
expect it—the Lurin Valley.”
Response: The Lurin
Valley, or Lurin District, is about
22 miles south of Lima, and is a basin 112.8 square miles running east and west,
with its main archaeological complex that of Pachacamac, though there are
dozens of ruins in the valley. Though it appears as a defensible valley, there
are three separate unconnected valleys in this area, anyone of which, or all three, could
provide ingress to the north, which is not consistent with the description of
the area Mormon gives us.
Top: Lurin Valley from several vantage points. It should be noted that
most of these surrounding hills are scalable by an attacking force, which would not be restricted to the valley pass
One of the dozens of ruins within the Lurin valley. Ancient cities dot
the landscape of the Lurin Valley and certainly do not match the idea of the
narrow neck, narrow passage, or any land connection between the Land Northward
and the Land Southward
As an example, Potter then
introduces his map of the Lurin Valley, just south of Lima, Peru, as his
“transportation corridor,” which hardly fits the restricted are of ingress into
the Land Northward that a narrow pass through a narrow neck of land would be.
Left: Potter’s map. He has his Land of
Desolation in an area of Lima, which would include the ancient city of
Pachacamac, which was the area of a major cultural area including ten thousand
or more people, and does not show an East Sea; Right: A current map of the
larger area of the Lurin Valley and Lima
In addition, his Land of
Desolation would also incorporate the gigantic city of Huacas Pucllana, built
on seven staggered platforms, and one of the most important ancient monuments
in the area. Just one of the numerous plazas of this city was 1640 feet long
(over five football fields), 328 feet wide and 72 feet high (seven stories)
Huacas Pucllana.There is no suggestion in
the scriptural record that the narrow pass or narrow neck of land contained a
city of any size, let alone one as huge as this one, which is right in the city
area of Lima
Potter: “The Lurin
Valley where the Transporation Corridor is located—exactly between the Lima area
that the Incas called ‘land of the people of Desolation’ and their southeast
quarter of Contisuyu.
Response: First, throwing in this comment as though it
is both proven and realistic, in an attempt to relate a scriptural point (Land
of Desolation) with this area of Peru is not very scholarly since the
impression is completely inaccurate. According to Paul Richard Steele and
Catherine J.Allen (Handbook of Inca
Mythology, 2004) In Peruvian mythology, the People of Desolation, an
ancient people of Peru of whom nothing is known, other than their name Purum
Runa, a term that elsewhere was applied to a dangerous epoch and were born from
live eggs that were hatched, And according to Thomas C. Patterson (The Inca Empire, 1992), “that life was never easy in the Andes,
heightening the ever-present sense of desolation, imminent danger, and vulnerability.” He points out that much of
Andean history is based upon “the level of the supernatural world, confronted
by dangerous forces of nature.” Therefore, “people of desolation,” is linked in
Peruvian thought to incidents of nature, such as storms, earthquakes, and lightening
“that are responsible for destructive forms of precipitation.”
Secondly, introducing Inca
information of this manner is misleading, since the Inca came to power around
1423 A.D., and certainly under no circumstances existed before 1200 A.D., all
of which is about 1000 years after the demise of the Nephite nation and its
people, could have no bearing on anything Nephite, such as the People of the
Desolation, even if the appellation was accurate, which is highly doubtful.
(See the next post, “Why Was the Narrow Neck Strategic? – PtVI,”
to see not only why the narrow neck was strategic, but also to see how
theorists get so many wrong ideas about Mormon’s many descriptions when they
try to alter or change his meanings that are clearly stated in his writing)
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