Comment: “Unlike the Mayan and Moche of south America the hopewell archeology dates are more in align with the Book of Mormon.”
A breakdown of North America in its descriptive geographical terms
It should be noted that the Nephites were in the Land of Promise for almost 1000 years, from about 589 BC to 385 AD. They were not in the land to the south (south of the narrow strip of wilderness), called the Land of First Inheritance (Alma 22:29) and the Land of Nephi (2 Nephi 5:8), from about 200 BC to 385 AD. These dates and location do not match the Eastern Woodland peoples.
In addition, the Plains Indians culture area is to the west of the Woodlands area; but in the Book of Mormon, to the west of the Nephites was the Sea West. Also, the subarctic region was to the north—again, this does not match Lehi’s Land of Promise, which north of the Land Northward was the North Sea. These indigenous peoples of the Eastern Woodlands spoke languages belonging to several language groups, including Alonquian, Iroquoian, Muskogean, and Siouan, as well as apparently isolated languages such as Calusa, Chitmacha, Natchez, Timucua, Tunica and Yuchi.
It should be noted that in all the different names and cultures claimed within the Andean region—Peru and parts of Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, and Ecuador—they spoke one language, today called Quechua.
According to The earliest known inhabitants of the Eastern Woodlands were the Adena and Hopewell, who inhabited the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys between 800 BC and 800 AD (Steve Avery, Ed., “Eastern Woodland Culture,” U.S. History, Florence Oregon).
Again these dates do not match the Nephite period of 600 BC to 385 AD.
It should also be noted that these indigenous Woodland peoples were mound builders—a process, as we have covered extensively in our blog (nephicode.com). While mounds have been found over much of the earth, the Middle East is not one of those areas. The Hebrews never built mounds, so why would the Nephites build mounds in the Land of Promise?
They also relied on farming to produce food because of the fertile land in the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys. Because of this reliance on farming, these tribes did not migrate like the more northern Eastern Woodlands tribes and instead stayed in one place.
Again, this does not match the Nephite history, which shows them ever migrating northward (2 Nephi 5:5, Jarom 1:8; Alma 63:4-9; Hebrew 3:8).
Comment: “You have a major river Mississippi which head waters are near the west great lake. Many large lakes to be the Sea west, East, North, and South.”
Response: The River Sidon of the Land of Promise flows from the south to the north. Lakes are not seas. But even so, the seas of the Land of Promise are not in one central location as the Great Lakes, but scattered to the south and north of the entire Land of Promise; as well as from the east to the west of the Land of Promise. The Great Lakes, under any arrangement, simply does not match the seas around the Land of Promise.
Comment: “As to fortifications. Most ancient cities of the Hopewell in Ohio was fortified. They even had forts (see Fort Ancient in Ohio) with earthen burns.”
Outline of Fort
Ancient one the east bank of the little Miami River; the drawing does little to
show a fort structure, nor are there walls or evidence of walls, only low lying
mounds
One of the many
small mounds at Fort Ancient showing no defensive purposes whatsoever
The
Great Serpent Mound near Fort Ancient, is a 1,348-foot-long, three-foot-high
prehistoric effigy mound on a plateau of the Serpent Mound crater along Ohio
Brush Creek in Adams County, Ohio
An approved Fort Ancient replica, of
which it does not take much to see, including the serpent mound (built in 1000
AD), that they were not defensive, but were simply designs made on the ground
that evidently were used for sacred or public purposes
It should also be noted that the name of
the culture originates from the Fort Ancient, Ohio, archeological site.
However, the Fort Ancient Site is now thought to have been built by Ohio
Hopewellian people. It was likely occupied later by the succeeding Fort Ancient
culture. Despite its name, most archaeologists do not believe that Fort Ancient
was used as a fortress by either the Ohio Hopewell culture or the Fort Ancient
culture—it was likely a ceremonial location (Deb Twigg, The Builder of the
Mounds, Spanish Hill, 2008, pp9-12).
Also, it should be noted that the earth burns were not connected to any
fort, but considered to be signal fires lit on top of small mounds made of
rock.
(See the next post, “Was Fort Ancient in Ohio a Nephite Fort in North America? – Part II,” for additional comments and our responses)
Numerous small rock mounds are found in the area
(See the next post, “Was Fort Ancient in Ohio a Nephite Fort in North America? – Part II,” for additional comments and our responses)
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