Here are some more comments that
we’ve received from this website blog.
Comment #1: “If this entire Western Hemisphere is the Land of Promise as you say,
what about the promise that no kings would rule here? What about the Nephite,
Lamanite, and possibly Mulekite kings that ruled here. And what about King
George that ruled what is now the United States, and the Queen that rules in
Canada, and the other European kings that ruled in Central and South America?
It sounds like somebody is pulling the wool over someone’s eyes!” Joaquim
Some of the Nephite kings that ruled over the Land of Promise; LtoR:
King Benjamin, King Noah, King Limhi
Response: This has
been answered before here, but in short, the Book of Mormon kings were not
gentiles and are not included in the prophesy. Canada is not actually ruled by
the Queen of England, for they have their own parliament and prime
minister—their relation to the Queen is more figurative than real. As for those
of Mexico, Central and South America, they were gentiles and did reign, but not
on this land, which is the key phrase
in the prophesy. There have never been any gentile kings in the Western
Hemisphere actually sitting on thrones in the countries over which they
questionably ruled. All foreign kings were overthrown between about 1805 and
1830, which is an interesting time frame when dealing with the LDS Church and
the prophet Joseph Smith.
Comment #2: “I have enjoyed everything you’ve written
and posted, and look forward to reading more, however, I must confess I have a
difficult time with the idea that most of South America was once under water
and that there was an island there,” Edmund G.
Response: I’m sure
you are not alone in this. Though it has been explain in the books written and
on this website several times, let me just add this short comment in answer to
your concern.
Top: The major plate tectonics of the world,
shown as part of a theory that the Earth’s crust and upper mantle (lithosphere)
are broken into sections (below this is the asthenosphere, which is very
plasticlike); Bottom: Showing the plate to the left subducting below the plate
on the right, which pushes up some portion of the top plate, often causing
land and mountains to rise
The continent we call South
America is made up of the Nazca plate and the South American plate, with the
Caribbean plate to the north, the Cocos plate to the northwest and the
Antarctic plate to the southwest, etc. All these tectonic plates make up the
connected land mass that determines the shape and form of the land mass above
the plates. As those plates move, the land masses move toward the top (like
molding a lot of cookie dough--push in one area, and it moves out somewhere
else). Thus, prior to and at the time of 600 B.C. through 34 A.D., those plates
were in such a position, that the land mass at the top was not high enough to
be above sea level. The mountain range we now know as the Andes had not yet risen
above sea level, but was still part of the cordillera, that is, a rock base that
moves up and down, forming mountains above in places, and causing canyons,
valleys, etc., in others (often referred to as geologic folding). Sometimes
these are sharp delineations, and sometimes they are gently rolling.
Now, when the Savior was
crucified, the earth groaned, and through whatever process God used, the land
changed. 3 Nephi, if read correctly, will show the "whole face of the
earth changed," meaning in the Land of Promise—thus, the Caribbean plate
dropped in the east, forming what we see today as numerous islands and brought
Panama up above sea level (the cordillera) and lifted its connection to South
America above sea level, bringing the eastern area of South America above sea
level (though the Amazon basin, larger than the size of the U.S., is still
barely above sea level), and the "continent" of South America became
visible and the "island" of the BOM Land of Promise, to disappear
into a much larger land mass above sea level, though still separated from the
rest of the continent by the now Andes mountain range “whose height is great,”
as Samuel the Lamanite prophesied.
The Cordilleras of South America create matching high mountain valleys.
These cordilleras run far beneath the surface and are hard, granite-like rock
formations that are pushed up from beneath by magna displacement
Whether or not man sees the land,
continents, cordilleras, etc., this way, the Lord sees the land masses of the
world as connected "earth" which he designed and organized (along
with Adam and the other "gods" mentioned in the Book of Abraham).
Sometimes part of his land is under water, sometimes it is not, according to
his pleasure. Man’s problem is he tries to use his inferior thinking,
knowledge, and understanding to determine what the Lord knows and means (often
placing their own restrictions on the Lord because they do not know how it
could be different).
Comment #3: “What do you think is meant by the term ‘Land of Promise’?” Kathryn
C.
Response: Actually, there are
numerous lands of promise, or lands the Lord has promised around the world to various people(s). The
Land of Promise assigned to the Twelve Tribes as we all know was in Palestine (roughly
from Egypt/Sinai to Lebanon, etc.) There were enormous promises made to the
House of Israel regarding that land, and is the home of the Old Jerusalem
(Zion) and will be re-established as such after the Lord appears on the Mount
of Olives and the land is severed, etc. From it will go forth the Law during
the millennial period.
Now, with all these promises, how
is it that the northern kingdom (Ephraim/Samaria) and the southern kingdom
(Judah) were separated, abandoned, etc.? All that land went through did not
change the promise, change the division of the land to which the 12 tribes have
a part (including Ephraim and Manasseh, though their full land division is the
Western Hemisphere.)
The Land of Promise of the Book
of Mormon encompasses several aspects: 1) The Jaredite promise; 2) the Lehi
promise; 3) the new Jerusalem promise; etc. Now, the land overall that is
choicest above all others is North and South America. This entire land in the
days of Joseph Smith (the entire Western Hemisphere) was referred to as a
single continent—the American Continent; the term North America and South
America is a relatively new designation, which, by the way in overall terms
eliminates Central America because it is not a continent and not considered
either North or South America, though some geographers claim it is part of
North America—which suggests we need to be careful how we figure terminology
that is modern in nature and does not convey the same meaning as ancient
scriptural references)
In any event, the land referred
to by Moroni in Ether 2:12, referring to the Gentiles that would come to it—that
is the Gentiles came to the Andean area of South America long before they did
the area of the U.S., as well as to Central America, and even Mexico. The U.S.
was the last to be colonized by the Gentiles—Ether 2:12 refers to the
entire Western Hemisphere. It just so happens that the area of the United
States will be the place where the government of Christ will flow outward from—first
to the Western Hemisphere, then to the Eastern Hemisphere (we should recognize
this since the Priesthood is centered in the Ephraimic lineage, as well as
Manasseh—Judah lost his claim and will not be the first, but the last (as our
missionary program even now demonstrates). The first to be converted after the
Ephraimic lineage (U.S., England, Canada) was the Lamanites, both in the U.S.
and elsewhere (Manasseh).
Thus, we should think of both
North and South America as being the Land of Promise, and not try and restrict
the Lord’s promise to an area we think is superior to another.
Del.. You said: Now, when the Savior was crucified, the earth groaned, and through whatever process God used, the land changed. And then you show us how some of this happened.
ReplyDeleteYou have mentioned in posts previously that when the final battle was happening.. some 400 years later.. Mormon went as far north as he could.. and had to make a stand.. waiting for the Lamenites to come and annihilate his people... because he could not go any farther north as they were upon an isle of the sea.
If the land connecting N and S America was now visible.. why did Mormon not continue running North with all these women and children.. rather than make a final stand?
I am just trying to put in all in perspective.
Thanks.