Tuesday, August 16, 2016

The Maps of the Great Lakes Land of Promise

Following-up from the previous posts regarding the claim that the Hill Cumorah in New York where Joseph Smith retrieved the plates is the same as the hill Cumorah Mormon describes in the Book of Mormon, let us look at one last point and the maps they use:
    To close out this idea of a New York Hill Cumorah being the same as the one in the Book of Mormon, let me quote Jonathan, and his website Book of Mormon Wars, in which he states: “Is the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah in New York or not? The answer is really a referendum on the credibility and reliability of Oliver Cowdery, who stated in no uncertain terms that it was in New York (See Letter VII)…For me, it's a simple decision. I go with Oliver Cowdery.”
    Well, for me, it is also a simple decision—I go with the scriptural record and what Mormon has described in clear description that shows the Hill Cumorah in New York could not possibly be the site of the hill by that same name as indicated in the Land Northward, in the land of Cumorah, in the Land of Many Waters (Mormon 6:4).
    Why any LDS individual, let alone one that writes so profusely about the Land of Promise, uses Oliver Cowdery’s opinion over the facts stated in the scriptural record is beyond my understanding.
Great Lakes land of promise as the Theorists describe it would be somewhat like this map with the Land Northward in the extreme northeast of New York state—it certainly could not be placed by them to the north of the Land of Promise since that area is occupied by the 7,320-square mile Lake Ontario 
    Irrespective of one’s viewpoint of Oliver Cowdery, the point that cannot be ignored is simply that if the New York Hill Cumorah is the Book of Mormon Cumorah, then the Land of Promise of the Great Lakes area has to be from about Syracuse in the east to Niagara Falls in the West, and from south of the Finger Lakes, perhaps to the Pennsylvania border area in the south to the southern shore of Lake Ontario. And in the north, the Land Northward, that would have to be either extremely small and narrow (along the southern rim of Lake Ontario—at one time an area of Lake Tonawanda) or north of the huge Lake Ontario to the east of it in what New Yorkers call the “North Country” which includes a northern arm of the Mohawk Valley area that juts up into the North Country as shown in the map above.
• On the other hand, an additional map shows another problem:
While the Land of Nephi is described as running in a straight course from sea to sea, Jonathan’s maps shows the Land of Nephi (Lamanite Lands) running at a distinct angle and obviously not a “straight course”--so who is right? Jonathan or Mormon who was there and walked the land?
• Land of Nephi ran in a “straight course” from the East Sea to the West Sea. This map shows the Lamanite lands, which would have to be the Land of Nephi, runs in a northeast, southwest course and does not fun from one sea to another
• This map also shows the Land of Zarahemla (blue) to the west of the Land of Bountiful (yellow) when, in fact, they are north and south of one another (Alma 27:22—Jershon was in the overall Land of Zarahemla; Alma 22:29,31)
• This map shows the Land of Npehi (Lamanite Lands) far to the south of the Sea East and Sea West, yet Mormon describes it running from sea to sea (Alma 22:27)
• This map shows the Sea West with no connection to the oceans over which Lehi traveled and where they landed called by Mormon the Land of First inheritance (Alma 22:28)
• This map shows the Land of Bountiful (yellow to the north of the Land of Nephi (green) when they do not border one another and have the Land of Zarahemla between them.
• This map also shows a very tiny area (gray) that is the Land Northward, which was occupied by at least two plus million people
Jonathan's Map showing Jonathan’s placement of Zarahemla and Cumorah; however, these distances do not match the scriptural language used to place the hill Cumorah from the Nephite Lands, such as Zarahemla 
    Mormon says that the land of Desolation, which would have been south of the Hill Cumorah, “was so far northward” (Alma 22:30) that one would get the opinion that the distance between Zarahemla, the capitol of the Nephite Nation and governmental center of the Land Southward, that Zarahemla and Cumorah were far apart north to south. Yet, based on the location of these two places (Zarahemla in Montrose [91.53 W., 40.53 N., Iowa; and hill Cumorah in Manchester, New York 77.22 W., 42.99 N.]), using the term “so far  northward’ makes no sense at all. Specifically, these two places are approximately 170 miles apart north to south, but 871 miles apart east to west. Stated differently, it is five times further east than it is further north, prompting the question why on earth would Mormon say it was so far northward—why not say it was so far eastward, which would be correct?
    Jonathan also states on his website: “For me, any map that doesn’t put Cumorah in New York is not useful or even relevant.” However, one might more accurately state that any map that doesn’t match the scriptural references for all of the Land of Promise is not useful or even relevant.
    Another comment from Jonathan: “I don’t care if people hold different opinions, but I do care when people misrepresent or suppress the facts. I propose that everyone agree to these facts…” he then lists 10 points that are not facts at all, or like Oliver Cowdery’s letter being published in the Messenger and Advocate is misrepresenting the facts intended, i.e., that such printing lends authenticity to the opinions in Letter VII.
The Lord put it in the heart of Samuel the Lamanite to prophesy from the walls of Zarahemla to the Nephites that at the time of the Crucifixion, mountains would fall and become valleys, and present valleys would rise up and become mountains, "whose height is great," yet there are no mountains in Jonathan Neville's Land of Promise (nor in Oliver Cowdery's land of promise)
    What about the fact that the Land of Promise had numerous mountains “whose height is great” yet not a single mountain can be found in his Land of Zarahemla and Land of Nephi. Jonathan, in his so “high road” comments, is so selective on what he considers to be facts, he ignores the scriptural facts that simply do not agree with him. He also ignores history by claiming “this land” means the United States, when this land as used represented the entire Americas, as did “this continent” represent both North and South America up until the mid 20th century, and still does in many parts of the Western Hemisphere today. Or what about:
    Fact: “We did arrive at the promised land; and we went forth upon the land, and did pitch our tents; and we did call it the promised land.
    And it came to pass that we did begin to till the earth, and we began to plant seeds. . . . And it came to pass that they did grow exceedingly; wherefore, we were blessed in abundance.
    And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men. And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper. (1 Nephi 18:23–25.)
    Fact: “for thou hast sought me diligently, with lowliness of heart. And inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments, ye shall prosper, and shall be led to a land of promise; yea, even a land which I have prepared for you; yea, a land which is choice above all other lands. (1 Nephi 2:19–20.
Fact: “And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land (1 Nephi 13:12).
    Fact: “The Gentile who was separated from the seed of [Nephi’s] brethren—Columbus—and who was to cross “the many waters even unto the seed of [Nephi’s] brethren” never set foor on any of North America, let alone the United States, yet he visited the seed of Nephi’s brethren, the Lamanites, in the Land of Promise! 
    This is so important, let me repeat and recap that:
    Fact: Nephi landed on the Land of Promse;
    Fact: Nephi the verifies they are on the Land of Promise;
    Fact: The Lord gives Nephi a vision in which he sees a Gentile sailing to the Land of Promise;
    Fact: Nephi’s visions shows this Gentile landing on the Land of Promise among the seed of Nephi’s brethren;
    Fact: Columbus, though landing among Nephi’s brothers seed, never set foot on the North American continent nor within the United States.
    That seems quite specific. And frankly, Oliver Cowdery’s Letter VII cannot change those facts and the scriptures in which they are found.

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