Back to Malay One Last Time – Part III

Continuing from the previous post, regarding the fallacy of the Malay Theory as to where Lehi landed. As we have shown in the previous two posts on this, the Reader’s own submitted animated drawing shows that the monsoon winds blow out of the southwest toward the northeast during what is called the “Southwest Monsoon,” the ”Ascending Monsoon,” and the “Summer Monsoon,” which covers six months of the year from around April to September (the Winter Monsoon, Retreating Monsoon, or Northeast Monsoon, which runs from October to March, covers the other six months of the year).

Dhows vary in shapes and sizes. Some with one or more triangular sail(s), made from different kinds of hard wood like rosewood or teak. For centuries dhows have been used for fishing and trade and symbolize livelihood and sustenance. They put in at night and sail along the coast, rarely moving out of sight of land and were used almost entirely as trade and fishing vessel

This Reader insists that because early trading and fishing dhows of the Arabian Sea sailed toward the east and back that the winds blew from the east to west. However, this Reader has ignored time and again when it is stated, that he cannot compare the lateen sail (triangular rigged sails) were used on weaker built (meaning not deep ocean sailing ships) coastal vessels for thousands of years in the Indonesian area, from Arabia to China with deep ocean ships. No one is questioning these vessels sailing east and west, since their sails were maneuverable as well as their ships having oars long past the time of Lehi.

 

The point has always been in deep ocean sailing ships which were “driven forth before the wind” which is how Nephi describes his ship—you don’t sail those along the coast, they would not broach the winds in the Indonesian area, Bay of Bengal or anywhere else along the northern Indian Ocean (Sea of Arabia) coastal area. You keep comparing oranges with apples instead of like for like. Coastal vessels are not—I repeat, coastal vessels are not—deep ocean, fixed sail ships which Nephi built by his own admission and brought Lehi across the great deep. The minute you inject coastal sailing, you eliminate all that is in the Book of Mormon. Perhaps you haven’t ever been to sea in a sailing vessel with a fixed sail and one with a lateen (maneuverable or tacking sail) which can go most anywhere along almost any coast and made up the trader’s sailing boats of the ancient world. Though flimsy, they were not called upon to withstand constant deep ocean pounding of currents and waves.

    Consequently, all your comments and arguments on this are moot.
6. We've discussed this before so I'm not sure why its come up again. Perhaps because you ignore any opinion but your own, not combining apples and apples but insisting on throwing in an orange from time to time that is not relevant. We never discussed this—you wrote your opinion, and I answered it using professional mainstream sources and you ignored those sources and any ideas on this other than your own and just kept restating your own opinion. It was Eistein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. We might say stating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different reaction is much the same.
7. Right now, at this very moment, the winds are blowing from the Arabian Peninsula directly towards the Malay Peninsula. No, they are not, unless you are talking about surface, coastal winds that do not hold up off the coast in deep water.

Again, using your submitted map, and adding colorful arrows shaped as the original lines, you can see that these currents and winds (white arrows) are moving in a curve and any possible movement from west to east is blocked by a huge subcontinent called India, the others (blue arrows) and the lower winds and currents (yellow arrows) blow toward Sumatra

Also, as indicated earlier, for current and past 180 hour showing, see NOAA (National Weather Service) Wavewatch III, NWW3 Product Viewer showing 20170530 Indian Ocean (Global) (Latest run) 2017/05/30 06z Significant Wave Height and Peak Direction forecast for 180 hour hindcast, all arrows reading waves and winds move to the northeast (actually north by northeast) across the entire Indian ocean from between Madagascar and Australia clear into India and Malaysia and Thailand.

The real time map from the internet indicated above showing 180 hour forecast showing [with increased bubble enlargement] the direction to the northeast or north by northeast. Note the direction of the red arrows

Once again, if Lehi sailed the route you keep hammering on, there would have been no need to build a special ship “unlike that of man” since any coastal dhow could have sailed along the coast to Malay. However, going into deep ocean (“blue water”) is another matter in a ship “driven forth before the wind.”
    In addition, the winds and currents along the northern mouth of the Malacca Strait are quite interesting

The monsoons are represented by Orange Arrows (Northwest/Winter) and White Arrows (Southwest/Summer), neither of which would allow a ship “driven forth before the wind” into the Malacca Strait; plus Blue Arrows showing the normal year-around winds and currents moving northwest up the Strait, which would again be against a wind-driven ship trying to sail into and down (south) to Malay in the Strait. These blue currents effect the strong current coming off the islands, which are shown moving turning northward (white arrow) with the winter monsoon and westward (orange arrow) with the summer monsoon. All of this would have precluded Lehi from landing along the southwest shore of the Land Southward shown on this Malay theory map to the south of the blue arrows even if he could have sailed that far east

In further explanation of the map, Sea-Seek is part of Google Maps and Navigation and provides a complete break down on currents and winds of Oceans, Seas and Coasts, including the Malacca Strait, in which they write: “Along the North coast of Sumatera, the Southwest Monsoon prevails from about April to November and the Northeast Monsoon from about November to April. During the Southwest Monsoon the wind frequently holds both day and night near Ujung Raya. In the Strait of Malacca to the West of the islands North of the North Sumatera coast, there is a current setting in a West direction, often attaining a rate of 1.5 to 2 knots, and inclining North or Southwest by the action of the prevailing monsoon. Between these islands and the Nicobars, during the strength even of the Southwest Monsoon, there is frequently a current that sets directly into the monsoon at a rate of 2 knots. At the same period there is said to be a strong current between Pulau Weh as far as the meridian of Tanjung Jambuair. This current continues all the year around, but with less strength during the Northeast Monsoon.
    The point is, once again a person can say whatever they want, claiming this or that with such and such backup, but the proof is in the pictures and what they tell us. The winds and currents connected to the summer and winter monsoons of the Indian Ocean, coming off the India subcontinent or the Malay Peninsula flow in the directions we have been saying, to the southwest for six months and reversing, blowing to the northeast for six months and even the Reader’s own submitted images show this to be a fact!
    It seems to me that it is time to give this a rest and let it go. You have shown nothing to change anything we have listed and written about for the past eight years other than your own opinions, stemming from a collection of names which may or may not be accurately portrayed as Hebrew names. And even if they are, prove nothing in connection to Lehi and the Book of Mormon Land of Promise.