Thursday, July 20, 2017

Don’t Get Confused About Dates

Scientists, archaeologists, anthropologists, historians and just about everyone who writes about pre-history falls into the same trap because they do not accept, or take into account, the simple fact that Noah’s Flood actually happened, and according to the Biblical account, took place between 2344 and 2343 B.C. Some two hundred separate cultures and peoples throughout the world have an all-inclusive flood or deluge legend or myth in their pantheon of memories, all involving such similar or identical stories as to completely shatter the feeble scientific claim that it never took place.
Flood legends and myths are spread over more than 200 cultures and peoples on the Earth, in fact almost every culture from ancient Sumerians to recent Chennai Tamils in one way or the other have a flood legend/myth

Yet, Flood stories are so common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Age and Neolithic prehistory, that their ancient existence can be found in the histories of people from every continent, and into Polynesia, Hawaii, Indonesia, and the Philippines. They include the first peoples of Mesopotamia, Sumeria, ancient Greek, India, Korea, throughout China, South America, Europe and Asia, as well as Australia, Scandinavia, Africa, the ancient Norse, Irish and Welch, ancient Egypt, and American Indian legends. In fact, it is found in the ancient Epic of Gilgamesh which dates back over 4,000 years, considered as the oldest tale of written history.
    It might be of interest to know that all nations, of all times, believed in the existence of a Primordial Paradise where Man originated and developed the first civilization ever—a story, of course, in the Bible, but also in Hindu Holy Books such as the Rig Veda, as well as the Puranas, the Sumerian Tablet of Nippur and many others.
    According to an article “Legends of the Flood,” by Eric Lyons and Kyle Butt, it is claimed: “Anthropologists who study legends and folktales from different geographical locations and cultures consistently have reported one particular group of legends that is common to practically every civilization.”
    Obviously, over time myths and legends have surfaced in what they claim are hundreds of cultures throughout the world, which “tell of a huge, catastrophic flood that destroyed most of mankind, and that was survived by only a few individuals and animals.”
Canadian geologist Sir John William Dawson (left), who was appointed as Nova Scotia’s first superintendent of education in 1850, and professor of geology and principal of McGill University in Montreal, wrote about how the record of the Flood: “is preserved in some of the oldest historical documents of several distinct races of men, and is indirectly corroborated by the whole tenor of the early history of most of the civilized races” (John William Dawson, The Historical Deluge in Relation to Scientific Discovery, Revell, Chicago, IL, 1895, pp4ff).
Evolutionary geologist Robert Schoch, who was honored for his ongoing research on ancient civilizations with the title of Honorary Professor at the Nikola Vaptsarov Naval Academy in Varna, Bulgaria, has stated: “Noah is but one tale in a worldwide collection of at least 500 flood myths, which are the most widespread of all ancient myths and therefore can be considered among the oldest” (2003, p. 249, emphasis added). Schoch went on to observe “Narratives of a massive inundation are found all over the world.... Stories of a great deluge are found on every inhabited continent and among a great many different language and culture groups” (Robert M. Schoch, Voyages of the Pyramid Builders, Jeremy P. Parcher/Putnam, New York, 2003, pp103, 249).
    These very similar, yet pervasive and universal Flood stories in the folklore of peoples from around the world provide us the strongest evidences for the global flood which annihilated all people on Earth except for Noah and his family. It is interesting to note that local geography and cultural traits are present in most of these legends, and tend to be telling the same story. As an example:
1. 95% claim the flood was global;
2. 95% show the flood as the only catastrophe;
3. 88% have a favored family
4. 82% claim local geography;
5. 73% include animals;
6. 70% have a boat as the means of survival;
7. 67% include the saving of animals;
8. 66% claim they were forewarned;
9. 66% claim that wickedness of man was the cause;
10. 57% claim the survivors landed on a mountain.
    It is also interesting to note that according to Brian Thomas there is stunning evidence of a higher ancient sea level that was 70 feet higher than it is today, which he claims presents a puzzle for geologists. Obviously, according to Genesis, there was a time when the surface of the entire earth was underwater (Smithsonian Institution press release, February 9, 2009).
    In fact, it should be noted that according to John D. Morris, “We now know, of course, that the earth has plenty of water to launch a global flood. It has been calculated that if the earth's surface were completely flat, with no high mountains and no deep ocean basins, that water would cover the earth to a depth of about 8,000 feet” (J. D. Morris, “Did Noah’s Flood Cover the Himalayan Mountains, Acts & Facts, 32 (9), 2003). It is also noted that there is sufficient water on the Earth for such a global Flood, along with the resultant changes during such a cataclysm, presently within the current deep oceans and high mountains.
Zoologist Storrs Olsen (left) of the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, and Geologist Paul Hearty (right) of the Bald Head Island Conservancy, found cobbles and marine sediments, along with rim cements, that could only exist where they were found if the sea level had been sustained at a much higher elevation (Storrs L. Olsen and Paul J. Hearty, “A sustained +21 m sea-level highstand during MIS 11 (400 ka): direct fossil and sedimentary evidence from Bermuda,” Quaternary Science Reviews, 28 (3-4), 2009, pp271-285).
    The point of all of this is to show, that current with modern scientific findings (though there is a very strong advocate of non-flood by godless men) that not only did the Flood take place, but that in its having occurred, there were no dates prior to 2343 B.C. of any activity, people, events, or occurrences on the Earth that could be so recorded and dated. Thus, when archaeologists, anthropologists, historians and others began dating events in the area of the Land of Promise prior to this event and its Biblical date, then we know that those dates are all false, based on made-up time frames as though there had been no Flood.
    As believers in the Bible and the word of God, there is no way we can justify that such events occurred in pre-history prior to 2343 B.C., for those events, though they may well have happened, did not occur in a previous dating period than 2343 B.C. That is when Noah exited the Ark, when life began in our current prehistory and all events that we know about occurred after that date.
We need to keep that very basic and inarguable fact in mind. There were no people in North America prior to 2343 B.C. of which we would have any record; there were no people in South America or Mesoamerica prior to 2343 B.C. of which we would have any record. There are no people prior to 2343 B.C. in the area of the Land of Promise of which we would have any record.
    None! Zip! Nada! 
    And any historical dialogue that includes such must be rejected, at least according to its dated time frame, out of hand! Perhaps, in this way, we can stop all this speculation and assumptive guesswork by archaeologists, anthropologists, historians, and other scientists as to what happened when of which we have any modern record, specifically all the cultures that Mesoamericanists want to claim existed in Mesoamerica dating back before 2343 B.C., or such flora as the development of corn by man dating to 8,000 B.C., etc.
Most of what might have existed in the antediluvian period and wiped out by the Flood would have been buried by the oceans we see today that now make up 71% of the Earth’s surface, much of the rest would have been covered up by the numerous mountains that were forced up during the cataclysm
That people lived in the antediluvian period is without question, but we would have no artifacts of their existence that would be known. If something from that period were to be found deep in the Earth, we would have no way of knowing that—while it is possible, it is without merit in any discussion. We know only from 2343 B.C. onward in our current world and its configuration.


  1. Dennis W. Sessions has advanced the Universal Flood from myth status to scientifically verified, in his new book "UM, Universal Model, A New Millennial Science, Volume I, The Earth System"

    Chapter 8 The Universal Flood Model (224 pages) includes:

    "Covered in this chapter, there are 13 physical 'Marks' the Universal Flood left behind for us to observe and investigate.
    there are over a hundred physical testimonies of the validity of the Universal Flood included in this chapter.
    The Marks of the Universal Flood must be of a physical nature so that they can allow the scientific testing of each extraordinary claim that the Universal Flood actually happened. for the most part, the scientific tests and observations are readily accessible and simple enough for the general public to repeat."

    Sessions' web page is

  2. The sample subchapter looks interesting. I don't know that I will ever be quite interested enough to shell out that much cash though.

  3. I found the ideas interesting but some about how the flood happened are flawed. The idea that the water came from far below is not supported in science. I admit that I haven't studied their entire arguments but they should build on proven science instead of coming up with ideas that are nonsense.

  4. Ira, thank you for responding. I didn't know any other way to contact you except through this blog. I was hoping to get your opinion as a Geologist. And skepticism is the proper first response to Session's radical new approach to science. However, Session's approach is neither radical nor new. His approach is a return to the observational and experimental scientific method that hasn't been used to produced any new laws for the past hundred years. Session refers to this past century as the scientific dark age, where theories, unsupported by any observational or experimental scientific evidence, are taught as fact. All of Session's Models or Theories are based on scientific observation and experiment. For example, it appears that water is the most abundant element in the solar system and possibly the universe. Comet tails are water. Our space probe going past Saturn just happened to take a picture of a "Hydro Fountain" spewing water from Saturn's nearest moon to a height exceeding the diameter of the moon. It is now believed that one of Saturn's major rings is water supplied from this moon. One of our satellites produced blurry pictures (not Hubble). It wasn't until a gyro failed and the lens accidentally turned to face the sun and melt the water off the lens that they got clear pictures. So there is water even in space. And now that scientists are more interested in water they are finding it on the sun as well. Session has estimated that about 98% of the "meteor" craters on Earth have been misclassified, and are actually hydro fountain craters. And this is based on scientific examinations not finding any evidence of melted rock or glass required of high speed impact. Mount St. Helens eruption was a hydro fountain (and no lava). But scientists unaware of the possibility haven't even tried to quantify the amount of water spewed by Mt. St. Helens into the air and down the mountain. They merely suggest that the river of mud all the way to the Columbia River is just snow melt. These are just a few of the thousands of observations cited by Sessions. His experiments are just as stunning. He has found the formula for producing quartz (the most abundant mineral on the surface of the Earth). And in addition to producing quartz and other things, he has personally petrified wood in a matter of hours (not millions of years). In my opinion Session has proven that the Universal Flood has occurred by scientific analysis. Del has proven by religious Biblical analysis in this post that The Universal Flood really occurred. The two go hand in hand.

  5. DeVon, I agree with you that the flood is reality. The UN flood has some good things to say. But a few things are a little bit off the mark.

    I believe the water came from above the earth rather than below the earth.

    I've read some of the free stuff on the site but haven't wanted to spend the money on getting the series.

    I take ICR institute for Creation research, which is a Christian site. Their stuff is a little more reasonable. Well the mag is free actually. They have lots of good things to say but some of it is not correct of course. They believe everything, all stars were created 7000 years ago which isn't correct. So it's good to read all different opinions and research.

    Thanks for telling me about the site though because I think more people in the Church ought to know about the reality of the flood. It's one reason I don't like BYU. I blame them for spreading the lie of the old earth and no flood to the members.